Lenders Run Scared, Violate The Spirit of FHA
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Every single day I receive numerous emails and phone calls from loan originators and potential borrowers asking whether FHA guidelines have changed and asking me why a particular loan scenario can no longer be approved as an FHA loan. Consumers, in particular often get confused when I explain that FHA guidelines are not the issue. The problem is with the lender they or their mortgage broker have chosen.
In just the last few months I have seen ridiculous scenarios such as borrowers being asked for full documentation of their income on FHA streamline refinances! Or borrowers’ credit scores becoming an issue on streamline refinances.
Some time ago we began to see many lenders start enforcing a 580 minimum credit score in order to qualify for an FHA loan. At the end of January, Wells Fargo raised the minimum credit score for loans submitted by mortgage brokers to 620. To put that into perspective, a couple of years ago 620 was the score we looked for to qualify for a conventional Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac loan. At about the same time, everyone received a memo from Taylor, Bean and Whitaker – for a very long time one of the last bastions of wholesale lenders who followed FHA guidelines and still my personal favorite lender – indicating that TBW would no longer accept FHA loans with credit scores under 600.
I know that, to people with good credit, and to mortgage originators who specialize in loans for clients with excellent credit, griping about having to adhere to credit scores that low seems ridiculous. But to those loan originators who have made a specialty of helping good people who’ve been thrown a few unexpected curveballs in life yet still recovered, this goes against everything the FHA program represents.
I want to make one thing clear. I’m not talking about those people the subprime industry pushed into home loans without caring about anything except whether their credit profile fit into a box in a qualifying matrix. The people who had a history of borrowing too much every time they got access to credit again and then letting everything go when the payments added up. I’m talking about people who may have been laid off, or the primary wage earner in their family had health problems but who fought tooth and nail trying to keep their head above water and only used their credit cards to keep food on the table until they had to choose between their power bill or their credit card payment. But who did everything they could to re-establish a good payment history once their emergency was over. The kind of people who have downright terrible credit scores but are really a good bet when it comes to whether or not they will make their house payment.
Over 24 years in the real estate/mortgage industry has shown me that there are a lot of people in both of those groups. Over the last few years there has even been another group. Those with 690 to 750 credit scores who would gladly take a $10,000 payment from a house flipper to stand in as a straw buyer to help consummate a fraudulent real estate transaction.
Now, in the midst of this huge crisis the mortgage industry is in, those good folks are being thrown under the bus because the mortgage industry has become too reliant on automated underwriting and credit scores instead of traditional guidelines and common sense. The system has become disconnected from the people and it gets worse every day.
I can’t count the number of times I’ve looked a 750 credit score borrower in the eyes and spoken with them and just known that I couldn’t rely on them to pay back $20 in gas money much less a home loan. Yet they have credit that causes the automated systems to allow them to be approved with 58% debt to income ratios. The kind of people who have good credit scores, but you can easily see would run those credit cards up to their high limits with no qualms whatsoever. Who you know in your gut from your conversation would walk away from their home loan if the mortgage balance was even slightly under water. And I’ve known of many of this group who did just that.
And I’ve seen an equal number of 550 credit score borrowers (or worse) who fought their way out of bankruptcy after a horrendous unexpected catastrophe. Who don’t even have any high credit limits to run up to if they wanted. But who would fight tooth and nail to keep their home paid for even if it was worth 80% of what they paid for it. Just because it is their “home” and not just a house. The kind of people who have always been helped by the traditional FHA loan, but who have already been fighting an uphill battle against automated underwriting for years.
Underwriters today (and in the underwriters’ defense, lenders as well) want to see those automated approvals that cause them not to have to look at the patterns of the borrowers’ credit and find out why those people had problems and what they’ve done to stop them from happening again.
Why is all this happening? It’s almost as if common sense has been divorced from the mortgage industry for so long that no one can imagine how we did it back when underwriters really tried to analyze people and not just “files”. Before complicated software started (supposedly) analyzing things underwriters couldn’t possibly even understand. Like what the chances of default were just because you had a department store card compared to not having one. Or how many and what type of lines of credit the group of people likely to make their payments possessed. The funny thing is that defaults have gone up by unbelievable order of magnitude since the mortgage industry started using these more advanced and supposedly accurate methods of underwriting.
I know lenders have all sorts of reasons they feel we need these higher credit scores. They’ve analyzed all the pools and tranches and macro trends and determined that groups of loans with these characteristics will be more likely to perform as investments. But the sad thing is that no one is comparing today’s loans to the days when real people took their time and followed the debt ratio guidelines and asked people why they were late on their payments. When it took a month or more and stacks and stacks of paper to check and double check and make sure a good decision was being made. Before the whole goal became to close as many loans as you can as fast as you can so you can collect your fees and turn the loan over to the next company to collect the payments.
Maybe, just maybe, this is one process that hasn’t improved with time. Maybe it’s time to give very serious thought about whether automated underwriting has been a positive influence in the mortgage industry as a whole and in FHA lending in particular. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Update 8:24PM: In a comical turn of events as we face FHA loans with minimum credit scores of 620 in some instances, here is a quote from a Fannie Mae guideline update today.
Starting April 4, 2009…
In order to provide lenders with increased efficiencies for the origination and underwriting of limited cash-out refinance transactions, and allow more borrowers to take advantage of today’s historically low interest rates…
Expanded Eligibility Criteria
The following expanded eligibility guidelines will be applied to limited cash-out refinance loan casefiles meeting the DU Refi Plus eligibility criteria noted above (including the successful identification of the existing Fannie Mae mortgage loan):
- Loan casefiles with an LTV less than or equal to 80 percent will not be subject to the minimum “representative” credit score requirement of 580.
- High-balance mortgage ARM loan casefiles with an LTV less than or equal to 80 percent will not be subject to the minimum “representative” credit score requirement of 680.
Reduced Employment Documentation Requirements
DU will offer the following reduced employment documentation requirements on all DU Refi Plus eligible loan casefiles:
- Salary/Bonus/Overtime: one current paystub and a verbal verification of employment
- Commission/Self-Employment: one year’s federal income tax return
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The reason that I see you are upset is simple. Lenders have failed to understand that not everyone should be approved as these prospects cannot simply be trusted to honor their debt obligation as they have had the bad misfortune to being unable to prove their credit worthiness over a period of two years, and why only one year is disgraceful. Ditto on employment for two years seems right and at one POE.
Actually, you are falling into the same trap of generalization. I know of many people who were approved for FHA loans after having late payments within a year even, who were never late on their house payment. The underwriter should be analyzing the patterns of credit and the total situation rather than just worrying about a credit score. My personal opinion is that credit scores and automated underwriting and arbitrary loan matrices have not lived up to their promises as effective underwriting tools. The whole mortgage mess we have now was built around them.
I do agree about stable employment and strictly enforced debt ratios.
Carl
I think some of the problem is based on the employee base at the large lenders. The underwriting has become I don’t want to say lazy , but they have such limited time to underwrite and close each case. If it does not fly through DU or LP then away it goes with a laundry list so long a great loan officer could not complie the required back up. So many are short staffed that we are allowing computer software to dictate who will pay us back rather then sound judgement. Thank God the medical field does not follow suit. A phyiscal would consist of a finger print or blood test , can you imagine how many ill people would fall through the cracks, just like possible good home owners are being turned down based on a score . I think underwriters should be required to take a one week class onhow credit scores work, so many people are out of touch with the FICCO mathmatical platform. So many people in our business have no idea as to wha it is , how it is computed, what matters or doesnt matter. If anyone is interested I know a great speaker on te subject , well worth his price . Thanks
I could not agree more with you. Eventually, the market will catch up with reality, and some wholesale lenders will fill the market niches that are not being met. In fact, that is what true honest subprime lending was all about. Remember when we ‘didn’t need’ fha anymore? lol
That could be light years away. In the meantime things could get uglier.
I really really appreciate everything you have commented on regarding this and I totally agree. I have been in the mortgage industry for over 20 years and actually started before computers and all fha forms had to be type written…I have been through all the automated etc. and none of it makes sense as you really do not get to analize or see the true credit picture of any borrower in todays automated underwriting world. It is also very frustrating to find a company that treat individual borrowers as they are and not what a score says. Or the big thing is employees that even understand the basic computations on qualifying without a computer to do it for them. And most importantly the good old fashioned customer service. I pretty much strongly feel that is what is missing. Also I believe ALL states should have requirements for any loan originator to be licensed and to have them updated anually. I have processed the majority of the years I have been in the industry, on every possible loan and scenario and the way it is now is just sad and the upper people in congress don’t get it. Thanks for letting me share.
Agreed! We are trying to buy our first house and we are fighting a losing battle. My score is under 580 and my husbands 660. We pay our debt on time but have a bankruptcy a few years back. We own our quite profitable business free and clear but that doesn’t matter in any way. No one is looking at us as people just numbers. It’s a horrible experience. We feel pretty hopeless.
You struck a nerve, I am a commercial/corporate credit guy who came into Real Estate about 7 years.
Up until 2 years ago I worked for a savings Bank. I am interfaced with some of the senior staff mebers involved in the credit management of some of the larger banks. Most of these people are finally unemployed because their institutions failed. In talking to them I was always shocked at how little knowledge they had of credit decision making.
“Underwriters today (and in the underwriters’ defense, lenders as well) want to see those automated approvals that cause them not to have to look at the patterns of the borrowers’ credit and find out why those people had problems and what they’ve done to stop them from happening again.”
Herein lies the problem. Credit scores are obsolete. In this economy they make no sense, if they ever did. AUS results should be used as a tool for the Underwriters to make informed decisions. Lenders are not allowing Underwriters to make the decisions. They are STILL relying solely on the credit score and AUS result. Underwriters want to make decisions, and are the best people to do so but the same morons who got us into this mess are still running the show. Until they are ousted and lending authority is given back to the Underwriters, I’m afraid it’s only going to get worse.
I couldn’t agree more. We have to get away from credit scores. They were designed for consumer lending and are terrible at predicting mortgage defaults. Everyone in the mortgage industry bought into them and now it’s killing us.
Please Help!! I am one of the many people who have fallen into this category. My credit score is above 580, but below 600 and I am getting the run around. I met all of the requirements and was found \fha loan approvable\ but then the company says we can’t do the loan because of the credit score.
I live in North Carolina and could use any help finding a lender. My time is running out on a bid that I won on a HUD home. Please help!!
I just found this site and glad I did. We applied for an FHA mortgage and are still waiting approval. It probably won’t come because we’ve been told the guidlines are changing and although are middle score is 600 it just might not be good enough. Why is our score so low? Bankruptcy 5 years ago due to a change in employment and although for most of that time we had no lates on any payments, we faced a family crisis last year that resulted in late payments. These were explained in a letter, documentation was provided as well, but it still may not be “good enough.” Our projected ratios would be well under the standard 28/36 by being 22/32. We’ve had no lates since the crisis was over, but because it hasn’t been 2 years we’re probably out of luck. Why? We were told that FHA mortgages can no longer be done manually. If the housing market is ever to be fixed, won’t one step of this be by letting people buy houses? At least by reading this blog I see that it’s not just us. Thanks for that.
Unfortunately we now have cookie cutter loans. Basically 5 types of loans and either you fit the category or you don’t. The thing for consumers is they can shop anywhere for a loan, everyone does the same thing. 620 or better 3.5% down and you should be good for FHA….for now. The next change I forsee is new rate hikes for borrowers under 640 and so on. This was the same thing that happened in subprime. 580 for 100% then 600, then 640 until no 100%. FHA will follow this same trend.
I work at a large direct lender that resales it’s loans to a large conservative bank and am in awe after reading all of this. Definitely put everything into perspective. It’s not the FHA that is limiting this (completely), simply the raising of the bar for fear in the banks eyes. The toxic market has put the fear in the investors. Having your competition closing left and right due to toxicity can be sickening. Someone needs to step up and set the trend to lend. My industry is changing significantly and can’t believe how people are read and qualified. I want to buy a house for the first time, 22 years old, laid off many times and still a fighter (thank god I have a great job now), and have pretty thin credit with a score of 560. I had a few collections, very small, from high school days, before I even knew what credit was, and this has been quite the uphill battle… I have been through medical issues, supporting myself through college, always paid my rent the past 3 years… and no one wants to lend to me to buy a home. Now I know and this painful process of trying to buy a home is disgusting. I know how to get my score where it needs to be in the next few months (thankfully again, the credit is THIN) but to everyone I cannot approve that are legitimate good people after talking to them for a while, I feel your pain. This has been a terrible 6 months of searching and trying to get approved for an FHA loan. My employer won’t let me continue talking to those below 620, regardless of what they have in the bank or what may have happened to cause the score to drop to that level. I have 32000 total debt across student loans, my car since my first one died, and only 2k revolving debt with 7k total high limit. I have managed this very well over a year and a half since I started really accumulating and managing my debt. Just wow.